Tuesday, July 07, 2009



Flag Burning and Free Speech: The Founding Fathers agreed that the First Amendment protected 'symbolic expression.'

Excerpt from EUGENE VOLOKH
"Congress is once again considering a constitutional amendment to ban the desecration of the American flag. The proposal, introduced this spring in the Senate by David Vitter (R., La.), and cosponsored by 20 other Republicans and Democrat Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, probably won't get enough votes. Yet even if it doesn't, one longstanding misunderstanding about the First Amendment is likely to live on.

Advocates for flag amendments argue that activist Supreme Court Justices have twisted the original meaning of the First Amendment to protect symbolic acts such as flag burning. As Sen. Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) said in supporting the Vitter proposal, "if you read the debate in 1790 -- the First Amendment was not written to protect nonverbal speech . . . . [W]e want to make sure we get the Constitution back to its original intent before the Supreme Court screwed it up." Or, as Judge Robert Bork argued in his book "Slouching Towards Gomorrah," flag burning "is not speech," and the court shouldn't have held "that an amendment protecting only the freedom of 'speech' somehow protects conduct if it is 'expressive.'"

Yet the best historical evidence suggests Messrs. Bork and Grassley are mistaken. The Framers fully understood "freedom of speech, or of the press" to include symbolic expression as well as verbal expression.

The Framers were working within a late 18th century common-law legal system that generally treated symbolic expression and verbal expression the same. Speech restrictions -- such as libel, slander, sedition, obscenity and blasphemy -- covered symbolic expression on the same terms as verbal expression.

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7 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am all for burning the flag, as long as the Activist is wearing it.

Mobius

Anonymous said...

I have no problem with burning the flag either, what is needed is a statute providing protection to anyone who attempts to protect the flag from those who would burn it.

As long as the protector used less than lethal force they should be allowed a "Free Speech" protection for their actions as well.

Anonymous said...

Hmm, well in that statute Anonymous 4:22 AM there needs to be something restricting you from expressing your "Free Speech" if Anonymous 1:23 AM's comment is in effect as you might accidentally put the flames out.

Mongo said...

Conservatives advocating violence. Nice.

Anonymous said...

It's pretty sad that anyone would actually agree (or find no problem) with burning our national symbol, especially since hundreds-of-thousands of brave Americans have given their lives fighting for what it stands for. (or what it used to stand for) In most other countries, desecrating the national symbol would mean being shot on the spot. And rightfully so.

What a pathetic people, that even our flag has so little value. Obviously, we've not only lost our will, but our pride as well. This is one of the reasons we're a dying nation.

Bobby said...

"What a pathetic people, that even our flag has so little value."

---Why worship objects? Even federal law requires that old flags be burned. This worship of the flag is almost as bad as the worship of the state. In Venezuela you can't even make fun of president Chavez on comedy shows, is that what we want?

People didn't fight for the flag, they fought for what the flag represents which is the ideals of the country. I'd rather live in a free country where protectors burn the flag than in a PC country where burning that flag is a hate crime against the state.

Anonymous said...

I'm with Bobby.
Many people on this site believe that their country has betrayed the ideals on which it was founded.
Some of them might extend that disappointment into a public display of alienation by such a thing as burning a flag.
It is nothing more than a gesture. The flag is nothing more than a bit of fabric. It is only meaningful because of what it represents and that cannot be burned, only given away - as seems to be the case.
In any event, a flag is property. Anan 4:22 - you take someone's scorched flag away from them and you are committing theft.