Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Liberal hate speech OK

The 9th Circus: No breach of the "separation of church and state" if a government body involves itself in a religious matter and gives official support to an anti-Christian belief system
"When various religious groups sponsored an advertising campaign offering “healing for homosexuals”, the San Francisco board of supervisors sprang into action. It sent a letter to the groups “denounc[ing] your hateful rhetoric” and alleging a “direct correlation” between that rhetoric and the “horrible crimes committed against gays and lesbians,” including the brutal murder of Matthew Shepard.

It also adopted two formal resolutions. One called for the “Religious Right to take accountability for the impact of their long-standing rhetoric, which leads to a climate of mistrust and discrimination that can open the door to horrible crimes such as” a recent murder.

The second resolution stated that the groups’ ad campaign encouraged maltreatment of homosexuals and urged local television stations not to broadcast the groups’ ads.

In American Family Association v. City and County of San Francisco, a divided panel of the Ninth Circuit rules that the city government’s actions did not violate modern Establishment Clause doctrine.

But as Judge John T. Noonan observes in dissent: “To assert that a group’s religious message and religious categorization of conduct are responsible for murder is to attack the group’s religion.…

Here the city had a plausible, indeed laudable purpose, to decrease vicious violence on account of sexual orientation. [But it] used a means that officially stigmatized a religious belief as productive of murderous consequences.”

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19 comments:

PIL said...

I hate to play devil's advocate, but did the city actually forced the AFA to stop their advertising campaign?

Resolutions alone are not enough, it's enforcement that matters.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

Yes it did, via the court.

I don't understand why these let's save everybody religious groups get themselves involved with an issue like this, especially out in the Twilight Zone of Mexifornia. Are they not aware that God has already provided an answer for gays? It's called AIDS!

stan b said...

Creating a "hostile" environment for the religion to work in is as heinous as the "hostile" environment the purport to be trying to prevent, and in their case, it's unconstitutional, because it's not just "passing a resolution," but a means of applying pressure to the group in question.

Anonymous said...

Just asking if it was any other religion, if the same response would have been put forth?

Anonymous said...

JUST ASKIN' ... In what religions is it OK to kill someone homosexual or not .

Anonymous said...

Islam has no problems in killing gay people. Iran hung 2 gay teenage boys last year. But, islam is not a religion, it is a satanic death cult.

Stucco Holmes said...

My god is better than your god.

Anonymous said...

My dog is better than your dog. That's because I don't have a dog.

Spurwing Plover said...

Time for SAN FRANSTINKHOLE to be hit with a devestating eathquake that levels the place and destroys their bridges and a whole lot more

PIL said...

"Are they not aware that God has already provided an answer for gays? It's called AIDS!"

You must be real good bringing people to Christ.

Anonymous said...

Yes i am, by the carload.

Bobby said...

"Yes i am, by the carload."

---Bullshit, your comments about AIDS turn people against God and religion. You're not that different from Fred Phelps. How would you like it if someone you knew was dying from cancer and I told you "Cancer is God's punishment for haughtiness?"

You are not God, and diseases are not God's punishments, they are God's tests. Think AIDS is is God's punishment? What about Hellen Keller, or one of those kids born blind or deformed or mentally retarded.

Anonymous said...

Disease is a part of nature - it's a form of natural selection, etc. AIDS doesn't only target homosexuals - look at Africa and Asia. Also take note of the proverb - "what goes around - comes around"!

Stucco Holmes said...

"diseases are not God's punishments, they are God's tests."

Nonsense.

A friend of mine has a number of forms of cancer, including breast cancer and probably will not make it. She has two small children. Who is being tested here? Does god give a crap about her children and everyone else left behind? I don't think so.

God does not give a shit about you, me or anybody else.

PIL said...

"A friend of mine has a number of forms of cancer, including breast cancer and probably will not make it. She has two small children. Who is being tested here? Does god give a crap about her children and everyone else left behind? I don't think so."

---Sometimes being an orphan is a test to see if we still love God.

Hey, life is tough, we're all blessed and cursed in different ways. Some have fame yet are hated, some have wealth yet are unhappy, some are depressed because they know too much, some are paralyzed from the neck down, etc, etc, etc.

Sharp said...

Stucco Holmes just showed the usual leftist answer when they discover they have no argument.

Stucco Holmes said...

And by the way, why don't you provide an argument that your god exists? Use your brain and not some cute parables.

Anonymous said...

Amazing how mere human beings on this wee speck of dust in this seemingly limitless Universe think they know the mind and agenda of the Universe's divine Creator; and that they manage to discern it all from the jumbled and even contradictory ramblings that ended up in the judeo-christian Bible.
But why do so few of these humans actually agree on what this "God" actually meant? Perhaps God never wanted them to know, or is just a sadist playing a joke with their dim but arrogant brains!?
(Maybe God gave better info to the folks on Plantet XB10076 in Galaxy 2ZB - far far away, because they deserved it for being more intelligent and less smug.)

Anonymous said...

Humans are apes - some more like their ancestors than others!