Mennonite college bans even the melody of the national anthem
I wouldn't be surprised if this became a starting point for a move to get the national anthem out of all schools. Left-leaning teachers would be keen on doing that.
"First, The Blaze reported that a tiny, 1,000-student Mennonite school in Indiana banned the words to the National Anthem, now however, Goshen College has banned the song in its entirety — melody and all.
According to Goshen’s president, Jim Brenneman, the words to The Star-Spangled Banner were “too violent.” The reasonable explanation being that the Mennonite faith reportedly endorses pacifism.
While the school band was allowed to continue playing the tune to the National Anthem, even that is now apparently too much.
The school’s board of directors allegedly told Brenneman to “find an alternative to playing the National Anthem that fits with sports tradition, that honors country and that resonates with Goshen College’s core values and respects the views of diverse constituencies.”
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How can you have music that honors the country unless the music is part of a patriotic song? It will be interesting to see what they come up with.
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How about
The Stars and Stripes Forever
by John Philip Sousa - 1897
Or is “march to the fray” too strong a phrase?
If they MUST ban the playing of the national anthem, they COULD just re-locate. I hear they have quite a catchy tune in North Korea written by Kim Suk Dong himself.
They could always use "America the Beautiful", with verses like this:
O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife.
Who more than self their country loved
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain divine!
O beautiful for glory-tale
Of liberating strife
When once and twice,
for man's avail
Men lavished precious life!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till selfish gain no longer stain
The banner of the free!
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Oh wait, nevermind…
Bottom line: They're wrong. Period.
For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven:
a time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted;
a time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
a time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
a time to seek, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
a time to tear, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
a time to love, and a time to hate;
a time for war, and a time for peace.
— Ecclesiastes 3:1–8
I'm sure this will delight all the anti-American leftists and the communist teachers unions they support. As for the Mennonites, i would see to it that they become "totally" unable to receive "any" type of benefit from "any" govt. agency or program, seeing how such benefit might offend them.
I've never understood the need to play the national anthem at sporting events (maybe an exception for the Olympics) except by the will of some politicians telling people what to do.
And don't fool yourself, Spider - nobody loves a good national anthem like leftists and communists, including forcing them to sing it. This includes the modern fascists, both republicans and democrats.
True rightists, closer to modern libertarians (and even anarchists), are more interested in personal freedom than being forced to sing a song when they'd rather be watching football.
-L
While I disagree completely with this happening, at the same time I understand why they do it, Mennonites are pacifists and the anthem has war imagery, plus private school, so they do not need to care as much as a public one.
I'd tell them if they don't like America's National Anthem they can just get the hell out of the U.S. and move back to Mennon where they came from.
Yes. I suppose our anthem is "nice"
Australians all let us rejoice, For we are young and free; We've golden soil and wealth for toil; Our home is girt by sea; Our land abounds in nature's gifts Of beauty rich and rare; In history's page, let every stage Advance Australia Fair. In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair.
Beneath our radiant Southern Cross We'll toil with hearts and hands; To make this Commonwealth of ours Renowned of all the lands; For those who've come across the seas We've boundless plains to share; With courage let us all combine To Advance Australia Fair. In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair.
"God save the Queen" is however still used on some occasions. It is the anthem I use if called for on an occasion that I organize
And it's a bit tougher:
God save our gracious Queen, Long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen: Send her victorious, Happy and glorious, Long to reign over us: God save the Queen.
O Lord, our God, arise, Scatter her enemies, And make them fall. Confound their politics, Frustrate their knavish tricks, On Thee our hopes we fix, God save us all.
Thy choicest gifts in store, On her be pleased to pour; Long may she reign: May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen
And there are some alternative verses that are rather bloodthirsty
Luke is a perfect example of a "Christian" telling other "Chritians" that - (quote) "They're wrong". Consequently there has been so much of just what he himself highlighted - "time for war" and "time to kill" between "Christians" of different stripes! Or is that another case of self-fulfilling biblical prophecy?!
Jon - the "nice" verses of the Australian national anthem seem to have ignored the indigenous population and only mention those who came to those shores later, so I guess it's another national anthem with historic "baggage".
Ditto the anthem to the Queen who still "reigns" over you, among whose previous verses were anti-Scottish words - "Rebellious Scots to crush" (which was a reference to the Jacobite uprisings).
Would that we could all have new words to old tunes!
If it’s a private religious college, I have no problems with it. They’re allowed to believe and practice those beliefs. Mennonites, Quakers, Amish, Jehovah Witnesses, and most Mormons might seem strange, but they aren’t trying to blow me up, use force to impose their view of the world on me, nor try to teach my six year old daughter the joys of lesbian sex. If they do not want the National Anthem because they believe it is against their religious views, so be it.
Luke is a perfect example of…
It's called logic. Ever heard of it?
1 - The Mennonites claim the Bible as their authority for what they believe.
2 - They teach "War is not the answer", as in never.
3 - The Bible teaches that war is sometimes the answer.
The Law of Noncontradiction is the 2nd of the most fundamental laws of logic.
It states that contradictory statements cannot both at the same time be true, e.g. the two propositions "A is B" and "A is not B" are mutually exclusive.
Either war is sometimes necessary (as the Bible teaches) or it is never necessary (as the Mennonites teach). Both cannot be true, per simple logic.
BTW, if you try to argue that I am wrong, you must use the law of noncontradiction to do so. That is how necessary this law is to logic.
If they think the US national anthem is too violent for their school it makes one wonder if any of them have actually read the Bible they claim as the basis for their faith.
Attempting to argue that their faith is stupid in no way makes a case they should be disallowed from practicing that faith.
Anon 11:12 said;
"True rightists, closer to modern libertarians (and even anarchists), are more interested in personal freedom than being forced to sing a song when they'd rather be watching football..."
And, if out of love of country, they choose to sing it?
Luke pontificates about contradictions, yet the Bible is full of them including the reference to killing or murder. Even one of the Ten Commandments states clearly and categorically, and without qualifications or riders - "Thou shalt not kill/murder", which Moses apparently got directly from God; yet the Israelites thought they had divine licence to murder and brutalize the peoples occupying the lands and goods they wanted - which, by the way, contradicts two more of the Ten Commandments (about stealing and coveting)!
Like religionists, I expect Luke will contrive his own justifications for whatever happened in the Bible and talk about context etc. to excuse embarrassing texts (just as muslims do with the Koran).
Why should I bother trying to point out the details to you? You've already demonstrated an absolute refusal to understand. It would just be a waste of time.
Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine,
— Matthew 7:6a
For any other readers who actually care about the truth of why God had the Israelites destroy the people living in Canaan, look up Leviticus 18:24; 20:23 and Deuteronomy 9:5; 12:29–31. Especially be sure to look at the verses prior to the Leviticus references to see what is meant by "these things". What those people did is truly vile.
Yep - just the kind of excuses I expected from Luke. And who wrote the history? - the victors! - the land-grabbers! Tho' not the only example in history of course!
Yes, exactly.
Which is why the Bible never describes God punishing the nation of Israel the exact same way for committing the exact same crimes.
Oh… wait… it does.
God or Yahweh ordered the Israelites to murder other peoples and steal their land and goods, going against the previous injunctions not to murder and steal. The Israelites must have been very confused morally by their capricious tribal god!
Maybe you should try reading for comprehension sometime.
And maybe you, dear St.Luke, should try reading the Bible with some sense of critical evaluation, but of course it's all too obvious you are a victim of judeo-christian indoctrination from the place & time you were born in the world - and despite God or Nature giving you a brain capable of some critical and potentially UNBIASED evaluation - poor you!
You probably believe you are "saved" and going to a Christian Heaven. No doubt that's right next door to the Muslim Paradise (at least they get a few dozen virgins to while away the tedium of eternity!)
Maybe you should explain what you mean.
Maybe Luke reads the Bible through his own tinted spectacles.
Phooie on the whimponites let them sing AGE of AQUARIUS until they go hoarse
The Kingdom of Heaven is the archetypal autocracy/dictatorship, with the God/King ruling over a compliant populace of mindlessly fawning angels in an earth-like social hierarchy, ranging from senior archangels down to child-like cherubims (at least in the classical model).
The only apparent dissident with some "brain" to believe this wasn't fair or rational, was the archangel Lucifer (meaning 'Bearer of Light') as he wanted to bring enlightenment to the mindless creations of the God-Dictator, so he apparently mounted a failed rebellion against the supreme "Dear Leader" and got cast into exile where he tried instead to enlighten the lower order of creatures (humans) who were living in animal ignorance, although at the time there were (according to Genesis) only one mating pair, who by supposed incest between their descendants were to populate the entire world (with a further reduction of genetic variation after "Noah's Flood" when supposedly only a few humans and a sample limited range of animals survived to re-populate the earth (and no mention in the Bible of the plant-life that would have had to re-establish itself to immediately sustain the new animal and human survivors.
Well, I now give up with the idiocy of Genesis, unless read as an allegory (among countless other creation stories from indigenous people from around the world).
The basis of the American Revolution was to resist the dictorial power of an autocratic king, so frankly I don't see the attraction of living for an eternity under a celestial dictatorship however benign it may seem to be. It just sounds like an eternity of "sheep-dom"!
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